Jessie Stephens

Like performing.

Yeah, exactly, performing.

And this is why I remember writing something years ago about all this data came out of Pornhub or something about man-on-man sex and lesbian porn.

Like...

and how it was consumed overwhelmingly by straight women.

Why do so many straight women watch gay porn and lesbian porn?

So why is it that they're not watching porn that would reflect their lived experience?

They're actually trying to seek out something that's

different to what they and and part of it might be that it's a fantasy or part of it might be by curiosity or whatever it is but a lot of the studies actually found firstly they don't and I think that we've we've probably all seen this in television or whatever where you go oh that looks like it hurts I've had an experience like that and it's making me feel really uncomfortable or whatever this is just more simply about pleasure in a way that women find very liberating

And it's not overlaid with complicated feminist politics either.

It's like the idea that we're so sensitive to a woman who's desperate to find love.

Yeah.

or like acts in a way that's like damsel in distress.

There are all these tropes that have been overused and clichés and there's just something so fresh about having this on screen where you can put all of that aside and just take your hat off.

Outlouders, in a moment, are you venting too much?

Oh, I've got an answer to this.

Oh, do you?

There are parts of this question.

that I think reveal that you are trying to control how his parents are going to feel about it.

And I got the best advice once.