Jodie Hayward

What I didn't have was the vehicle at the time, you know?

So I think many, many people coming to this with the bigger why the freedom from wish, and they're looking for the vehicle.

And I think it's all very well and good for people to question, um,

everyone's why, but that comes at a certain point in business.

Let's face it.

You can't, you can't take someone who's, you know, I don't know, new, new into business has been into business like six months, let's say, and go wash your big why.

I used to listen to those things when I'd first come.

I was like, what are you talking about?

I don't know what you're talking about.

You know, actually what, what moment I want is freedom from.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Back then yours was a freedom from.

Absolutely.

That was your why.

I think there's too many people like guilt tripping others for not having this bigger impact.

Why?

When they've not got to that point yet.

You know, it takes a while to get to that point to see these issues and to find your own growth and the identity work.

You know, you have to be confident enough to go, I'm really fucking good at this.