Joe King

Cause I do think looking back of how to save a life was the first thing that happened for us.

Through Grey's, we may have been just super pigeoned into, you know, that only.

So that there was already, you know, like we were a band before that.

Right.

And it was happening.

Right.

In a way, I don't know, but like at least our fans knew.

Yeah.

you know, exactly.

I don't know if like, like the core fans knew, obviously those that found us through how to, through grays, you know, did so.

And that's great.

Right.

Um, you know, you're not gonna, I mean, you gotta, you gotta get, you get your music heard somehow.

And at that time too, there was, there was, I remember like wrestling with the idea of licensing the song or any song to TV or commercials.

Cause there was like a, there was, it was a time where artists were like, there was a, it was a sellout.

Oh yeah.

Oh, and there was a big fear around this because artists were like, I don't know, press or something were hard on it if you license your song.

And I remember before the Graze thing, the man called Wilco that I love, they got a bunch of flack for a license that they did.

Um, and it was like everybody, it was so much blowback and they issued a statement.

They were like, we're sorry that we made money.