Joe Polish

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The Home Service Expert Podcast · Achieving 500% Productivity Through Flow States · 10 Jan 2025 podcast

Oh, yeah, yeah. Gosh, we first met around 2010. I've had quite a few interviews with him. Smart dude. He's very science-based and he's very much, he'll call out what he thinks are charlatans and bullshit. And he always looks back and like, how do we know this actually works? And Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who wrote the original Flow the Psychology of Achievement and many other great books.

Stephen's actually the one that taught me how to actually pronounce it. his last name, Chick, set me high, right? So Mihaly, and he was- Yeah, Tavi, ask me how I learned to pronounce it the hard way. Because I learned the hard way too. And I'll just say this. I found a genius at work and I have Genius Recovery, which is an addiction recovery foundation.

And I won't go into this unless you guys decide to go down that road. I think of flow. There's that Johan Hari line, which is the opposite of addiction, it's connection. And so if you take the opposite of the ultimate form of connection is flow, is to being in a state where you just, it's blissful, you're connected, you feel good. It could be, you know, psychological, it could be physical.

It's all those things that coalesce in this great area where you're just blissful. you're just on, you're dialed in. Now, the opposite of that is complete angst and stress and desperation. And you look at addiction.

So I look at flow, not only just in performance and life for entrepreneurs and business owners, like the home service experts that are listening to this, people that want to get in better physical shape. I also look at it in terms of if you're not in a state, can't get to a state of flow and connectedness, you could have a very self-destructive life. You could be lonely, depressed.

You can just feel horrible. And so Stephen can speak to all of that. And I'm really just kind of here to, I'll just interrupt.

I want to say something to that, too, just for context purposes. So it was years before Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi was writing about the flow state, but no one quite figured out how to actually get there. And I think that's what your work has been. Yeah, that's most of my work with them. And, you know, what's interesting is like Stephen's books.

He's written a lot of like Peter Diamandis's books, which New York Times bestsellers was written with Steve. Right. And you probably did more writing it. We share. Peter's a friend of mine. So, but the thing is, is like, so for everyone listening, you're an entrepreneur. I think the 500% productivity is incredible.

There's also the group flow because almost everyone listening to this has a team of people. So it's not just an individual thing, right? So how do you do this? How do you enroll and engage other people so you can get your company?

I think that's what Tommy's done a really great job with, you know, unstoppable three 65, you know, it's bringing people into all of these, not just mental, but physical stuff because you, In his latest, Stephen's latest book, it's called NAR Country, G-N-A-R, Getting Old, Staying Rad. You know, because he's pretty much like a punk rocker. And I never, I'm not. And I was born in like the 1840s.

So I'm old and I'm an old punk rocker. Yeah, we're about the same age. So what's funny is that he's been nominated three times for a Pulitzer Prize. Haven't won yet, so you're like a loser. I'm the biggest loser in the history of the Pulitzer. Yes, I am. No, you're an amazing writer and you do like incredible research and whatnot.

And so, you know, the point I want to make with all of that is that this isn't just performance. This is how you mentally feel.

Can I ask you a question? Because I've sat through Tommy's team meetings. very engaged, you know, one of the most engaged group that I've seen in service business, which is why I think he's such a great spokesperson for, you know, home service and whatnot.

That's just me. So I'm sure, you know, I can't speak for Tommy. I'm sure there's stages where he's like really motivated. You know, he's really engaged in the culture. So I look at it in engagement. What's the difference between an engaged culture and flow? What is the similarities?

You know, it's interesting, like with framing, because the way I'm sitting there thinking about who would be watching or listening to this. And when you had Lyme disease, let's just say for simplicity's sake, I know it's way more involved and complicated than I'm going to try to simplify it, is you're off track. Your body's not working. Nothing was working.

I mean, I screwed myself, but good. So you're way off track, right? And then surfing. And the mechanism of engaging in flow brings healing to you. It brings all this shit to you, right? And that's when you first started figuring out what the hell is happening here. And you immerse yourself in that. Being the world expert in this area.

So the question is, Tommy's had areas of his life, you know, as a drug addict, right? Like I was mired in addiction. I've been in recovery for 20 plus years. So when you're off track flow in knowing how to get there and what we're talking about today to get you on track is what's so critically important. I think Tommy, you know, he's going to hold a big event this week.

bunch of people that are off track some are on track they just want to be going faster we want to do them better and so the whole purpose of this conversation is like how do we help people get on track how do you purposefully get yourself to the best part of that track how do you bring your team along on that track and that that has to do with zero to dangerous like understanding what that even means yeah what goes on in that process well this is again where the neuroscience is so useful we

Well, let me speak to that then. Because in like NAR country, he literally shows like if you're injured, getting yourself in flow in order to overcome like a back pain that's going to take place because of how much neurochemically is happening in a flow state. When you guys are talking, I write down here, I wrote flow killers because I want to hear your perspective on flow killers.

in the area of relationships, money, which he spoke to, physical, spiritual, emotional, the environment. If you're in some toxic environment, you may intellectually understand it, and then foundational, sleep, water, basic needs, and then fear. Like he said, a challenging situation.

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