Joe Polish

Oh, yeah, yeah. Gosh, we first met around 2010. I've had quite a few interviews with him. Smart dude. He's very science-based and he's very much, he'll call out what he thinks are charlatans and bullshit. And he always looks back and like, how do we know this actually works? And Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who wrote the original Flow the Psychology of Achievement and many other great books.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Gosh, we first met around 2010. I've had quite a few interviews with him. Smart dude. He's very science-based and he's very much, he'll call out what he thinks are charlatans and bullshit. And he always looks back and like, how do we know this actually works? And Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who wrote the original Flow the Psychology of Achievement and many other great books.

Stephen's actually the one that taught me how to actually pronounce it. his last name, Chick, set me high, right? So Mihaly, and he was- Yeah, Tavi, ask me how I learned to pronounce it the hard way. Because I learned the hard way too. And I'll just say this. I found a genius at work and I have Genius Recovery, which is an addiction recovery foundation.

Stephen's actually the one that taught me how to actually pronounce it. his last name, Chick, set me high, right? So Mihaly, and he was- Yeah, Tavi, ask me how I learned to pronounce it the hard way. Because I learned the hard way too. And I'll just say this. I found a genius at work and I have Genius Recovery, which is an addiction recovery foundation.

And I won't go into this unless you guys decide to go down that road. I think of flow. There's that Johan Hari line, which is the opposite of addiction, it's connection. And so if you take the opposite of the ultimate form of connection is flow, is to being in a state where you just, it's blissful, you're connected, you feel good. It could be, you know, psychological, it could be physical.

And I won't go into this unless you guys decide to go down that road. I think of flow. There's that Johan Hari line, which is the opposite of addiction, it's connection. And so if you take the opposite of the ultimate form of connection is flow, is to being in a state where you just, it's blissful, you're connected, you feel good. It could be, you know, psychological, it could be physical.

It's all those things that coalesce in this great area where you're just blissful. you're just on, you're dialed in. Now, the opposite of that is complete angst and stress and desperation. And you look at addiction.

It's all those things that coalesce in this great area where you're just blissful. you're just on, you're dialed in. Now, the opposite of that is complete angst and stress and desperation. And you look at addiction.

So I look at flow, not only just in performance and life for entrepreneurs and business owners, like the home service experts that are listening to this, people that want to get in better physical shape. I also look at it in terms of if you're not in a state, can't get to a state of flow and connectedness, you could have a very self-destructive life. You could be lonely, depressed.

So I look at flow, not only just in performance and life for entrepreneurs and business owners, like the home service experts that are listening to this, people that want to get in better physical shape. I also look at it in terms of if you're not in a state, can't get to a state of flow and connectedness, you could have a very self-destructive life. You could be lonely, depressed.

You can just feel horrible. And so Stephen can speak to all of that. And I'm really just kind of here to, I'll just interrupt.

You can just feel horrible. And so Stephen can speak to all of that. And I'm really just kind of here to, I'll just interrupt.

I want to say something to that, too, just for context purposes. So it was years before Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi was writing about the flow state, but no one quite figured out how to actually get there. And I think that's what your work has been. Yeah, that's most of my work with them. And, you know, what's interesting is like Stephen's books.

I want to say something to that, too, just for context purposes. So it was years before Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi was writing about the flow state, but no one quite figured out how to actually get there. And I think that's what your work has been. Yeah, that's most of my work with them. And, you know, what's interesting is like Stephen's books.

He's written a lot of like Peter Diamandis's books, which New York Times bestsellers was written with Steve. Right. And you probably did more writing it. We share. Peter's a friend of mine. So, but the thing is, is like, so for everyone listening, you're an entrepreneur. I think the 500% productivity is incredible.

He's written a lot of like Peter Diamandis's books, which New York Times bestsellers was written with Steve. Right. And you probably did more writing it. We share. Peter's a friend of mine. So, but the thing is, is like, so for everyone listening, you're an entrepreneur. I think the 500% productivity is incredible.

There's also the group flow because almost everyone listening to this has a team of people. So it's not just an individual thing, right? So how do you do this? How do you enroll and engage other people so you can get your company?

There's also the group flow because almost everyone listening to this has a team of people. So it's not just an individual thing, right? So how do you do this? How do you enroll and engage other people so you can get your company?

I think that's what Tommy's done a really great job with, you know, unstoppable three 65, you know, it's bringing people into all of these, not just mental, but physical stuff because you, In his latest, Stephen's latest book, it's called NAR Country, G-N-A-R, Getting Old, Staying Rad. You know, because he's pretty much like a punk rocker. And I never, I'm not. And I was born in like the 1840s.

I think that's what Tommy's done a really great job with, you know, unstoppable three 65, you know, it's bringing people into all of these, not just mental, but physical stuff because you, In his latest, Stephen's latest book, it's called NAR Country, G-N-A-R, Getting Old, Staying Rad. You know, because he's pretty much like a punk rocker. And I never, I'm not. And I was born in like the 1840s.