John Hart

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DSPN -RUGBY · John Hart Reflects On 1996 South Africa Tour, Jonah Lomu & Rassie Erasmus · 30 Jul 2026 podcast

But anyhow, we got through and we had to agree that the five or six players that I was going to play take at the end of the group.

would be players that might not get the full payment of an All Black.

They were All Blacks.

So there were all sorts of things going on in the background before we got there.

New Zealand Rugby Union wasn't that professional then, to be fair.

Yeah, and I was striking that and trying to take a team into professional era.

So it was quite a challenge.

But I've got no doubt our planning trip

And particularly the 36-player concept was the reason we were able to do so well in South Africa.

A lot, I reckon.

And I think that's why probably my timing to get the All Black job after being turned down about...

33 times before.

The timing was perfect because my background was in people management and leading the HR function for New Zealand's largest company Fletcher Challenge.

I'd worked there for 30 years.

I'd been looking after the HR function for 30,000 people.

So I think

My whole background in leadership and management and planning and organization did help, but I was also helped by getting some really good people, which is the secret anywhere.

Mike Banks was a fantastic manager.

I made a major breakthrough,

Media relations was probably one of the key challenges we had.

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