John Harwood

But there are ways in which, as you said, organically, these voices can come up, find an audience and make a difference.

No.

And my children who are grown and have children wouldn't even consider subscribing to a cable package.

It makes no sense to them whatsoever.

Right.

Don, I've kept you longer than we talked about.

I want to urge everybody to subscribe to Don's Substack, the Don Lemon Show, Zateo.com and my column, The Stakes.

And we'll see if we can keep making a difference.

And Don, I thank you so much for having the conversation.