John Harwood

The question is, what is it about the truth that scares these people so much?

Do they feel they don't have enough money?

Do you mean the oligarchs?

Yes.

As what we call the legacy media has been bruised and battered, audiences shrinking, pressure on journalists from the top and from the White House, how effective do you think independent media have been and can be in filling the void?

Do you find yourself thinking...

Not very long ago, I had an hour-long show every single day on CNN.

Two hours.

I reached a large number of viewers.

And now I've got a smaller audience.

Do you feel a smaller impact from what you do than when you were anchoring at CNN?

So do you actually think that the impact of the work that you do is larger now than it was then?

Yes, and more relevant.

It's funny.

Toward the end of my career at CNN, and having been in cable TV for 15, 20 years,

I started to feel less and less impact from what I was doing as the audiences shrank.

I think that when I wrote a front page story in the Wall Street Journal 10 years before I was on television, that had a greater impact on the political dialogue than stuff I would say on cable shows after that.

And I have to say it's pretty heartening to think that where people like you, Acosta, the Bulwark, Terry Moran, all of that cumulatively

You know, there are people who say, oh, you know, you're not on television anymore.

So sorry.