John Kiriakou

He says, yeah, fair enough.

Fair enough.

OK, safe travels.

And then your job is to take him from point A to point B, not to become his friend and get his family story.

Just like my job is to catch him and hand him over to the next guy, and it's none of my business where he's going.

And so when I got back to headquarters in May of that year, I was just standing in the sandwich line at the CIA cafeteria.

And one of the senior guys from the Counterterrorism Center came up to me very casually.

And he said, oh, hey, I'm glad I ran into you.

I meant to ask you, do you want to be certified in the use of enhanced interrogation techniques?

And I had never heard that term before.

This is May of 2002.

I said, enhanced interrogation techniques.

What's that mean?

And he goes, we're going to start getting rough with these guys like that.

And I said, what's that mean?

So he describes these 10 techniques.

And I said, I don't know, man, that sounds like a torture program.

And he said, it's not a torture program.

We got it cleared by the Justice Department and the president signed it.

He says, think about it.