John Kiriakou
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And in that position, I had access to literally everything that the CIA was doing around the world.
And it was on August 2nd that we began torturing Abu Zubaydah, who was the first high-value prisoner that we had.
I led his capture in Faisalabad, Pakistan in March, March 28th.
Yeah, you know, I was standing on a coffee table in the safe house with 60 people arrayed in front of me, and I said, listen, the orders are to take them alive.
Do not shoot them.
And of course, as soon as...
The proverbial shit hits the fan.
A Pakistani policeman just opens fire and shoots him three times with an AK-47 in the thigh, the groin and the stomach.
And yeah, the rest is history.
Well, in the immediate term, I was passed over for promotion, which was kind of funny to me because I had just captured with these two hands, the number three in Al Qaeda.
And in my promotion panel, the chief of counterterrorism said exact words.
I had displayed a shocking lack of commitment to counterterrorism.
Whoa.
Well, the deputy director then promoted me just with the stroke of his pen.
So no big deal.
But then a friend of mine at the agency who happened to be he happened to be a lot of things.
We go to the same church.
We were in the same men's group.
He happens to be a psychiatrist and he happens to also be a brigadier general in the U.S.
Army.