John Kiriakou

He's a CIA psychiatrist.

He came up to me and he said, hey, buddy, I got to tell you, you know, they call you the human rights guy behind your back.

And I said, yeah, I know.

I've heard that.

And he said, you know, that's that's not a compliment.

And I said, Steve, I'm on the right side of this.

They're not.

I said, I'm not going to change my point of view just because they say something behind my back.

And I kept that up for another couple of years.

I did another tour and then decided, listen, I have five children.

I need to put them through college.

I have to start making some real money.

So I resigned from the CIA, went into the private sector and in the private sector,

And this has changed the course of the rest of my life.

I got a call from Brian Ross, a very prominent journalist with ABC News in the United States, a seven-time Emmy Award winner.

And he said that he had a source who said that I had tortured Abu Zubaydah.

I said, that was absolutely untrue.

I was the only person who was kind to Abu Zubaydah.

And he said, well, you're welcome to come on the show and defend yourself.

I had no idea that was a reporter's trick because I had never spoken to a reporter before.