Jon Toogood

Exactly.

Yes, exactly.

Um, Joe Strummer was another one for me.

That was a highlight because, uh, we were, you know, the big day out was great because they'd stick the local X and the international X backstage together.

Yeah.

So his, his, um, his, uh, backstage room was right next to she has.

And, um,

He'd grab me after we'd play and go, let's go and see this.

Let's go and see that.

And what I loved about him was he was still passionate about music, even though he'd been around the industry for years.

Still hungry for new ideas.

And he had a real workmanlike ethic to it, like the way he approached his thing.

And I liked that because being brought up by a carpenter, that's sort of how –

that's how we applied it to she had as well it was like great job but we never got into the famey thing yeah it was more about how do we put on the perfect show how do we write a great song craftsman craftsman yeah and that's what strummer was you know and the clash i mean geez the clash honestly yeah i couldn't believe that i was watching bands with him you know it was cool

I think they'll have to read it maybe when they're 18 because there's some R-rated stuff in it.

That's pretty rock and roll.

I don't shy away from the fact that I party pretty hard at times.

Yeah, which now I don't.

I haven't drunk for like 14 years now.

I mean, it just means more money for food, you know, which is great.