Jonathan Goldstein

One day, Reef asked Pat for a favor.

Could Pat meet with his son Quincy, who wanted to make a movie?

And you hadn't known that story?

I hadn't known that story.

Oh, no.

I had never heard of it.

What was your impression of Quincy when you first met him?

When Quincy's lie came out, Pat was furious.

You mean that literally?

But Pat says that these days, he doesn't have time for rumination or regret.

Before we get off, I ask Pat Michael's burning question, why did Quincy lie?

But Pat says he doesn't ask the why questions.

Only Quincy, Pat says, if he goes deep, can answer that.

Pat and Quincy haven't spoken for decades.

Their last interactions were angry ones, right after Quincy's lie came out.

All the same, Pat offers to reach out to Quincy.

He contacts a friend who he thinks might have Quincy's phone number.

I don't have high hopes, but Pat and Quincy do end up speaking.

And afterwards, for reasons I can't discern, Quincy agrees to speak with Michael.

A video call between Michael and Quincy is arranged.