Jonathan Goldstein

All around us, the city bustles as normal, while we're tucked away in our make-believe world, watching make-believe things.

It's all a lie, of course, but one that we're all in on.

From things that accidentally touched This episode of Heavyweight was produced by Kalila Holt and me, Jonathan Goldstein, along with Mohini McGowker and Phoebe Flanagan.

Our supervising producer is Stevie Lane.

Editorial guidance from Emily Condon.

Special thanks to Lucy Sullivan, Karen Shikurji, and Nazanin Rafsanjani.

Our production counsel is Jake Flanagan.

Emma Munger mixed the episode with original music by Christine Fellows, John K. Sampson, and Bobby Lord.

Additional scoring by Blue Dot Sessions, Bobble, Principal, and Shanghai Restoration Project.

Our theme song is by The Weaker Thans, courtesy of Epitaph Records.

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