Joseph Cox

iCloud and Apple, they have something similar, but you don't go to Apple and be like, hey, my phone's in the hands of the cops.

Tim Cook isn't going to do that, as far as I know.

It had all of these bells and whistles, which, while still being secure, showed that, hey, we don't have to have these sort of like sluggish cameras

cumbersome encrypted phones anymore we can have the phone of the 2020s with all of the cool features while still catering to our criminal clientele got it so it's both secure and like all the fun exciting advances in smartphones that we've all gotten completely used to and don't actually feel fun and exciting but it's like a criminally secure phone with features

Yeah, exactly.

It brings them well into the 2020s.

And criminals can now send, you know, their sunglasses emojis or their heart emojis while they're doing their multi-ton shipments of cocaine.

And that's a security benefit as well, right?

You can't just rock into a normal phone store and get one of these phones, because if you could, the cops would buy them, and then they would get on the network as well.

So you have this human-level reseller network that also keeps the good guys out and the bad guys in.

Yes, it's exactly like your Scout cookies.

And that's also sort of a business benefit for a NOM, because if a top-tier criminal at the top of their drug trafficking pyramid gets a phone, that means everybody underneath them needs to get a NOM phone as well, because they only talk to one another.

So everybody needs to move to that network and that gets more money for a NOM as well.

It's not like normal phones where obviously an iPhone can send a text message to an Android.

You can't do that with a NOM.

It's just an insular sort of internal network.

So soon after launching...

in australia the company got more demand for phones outside and especially in europe and sort of the key person behind that expansion was a drug trafficker called hakan ayik he is the head of the so-called aussie cartel which is a multi-billion dollar super cartel good evening and welcome to the program tonight we take you inside the hunt for australia's most wanted criminal

He's teamed up with the Criminjeros and the Hells Angels, groups that would usually be killing each other if they were in the same room.

They band together to basically put those differences aside and make a lot more money.