Joy Hawkins

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509 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 29 Jul

Joy Hawkins’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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So it's like there's no end to the cycle.

And

There's no consequence on the legal side.

Like the FTC is maybe like a handful of businesses have gotten nailed.

Like it is not enough for businesses to care.

And like it's it's so frustrating.

Um, because I think that people wanna do the right thing, but then

They're motivated by finances and there just isn't enough reason to not do it that so many people just end up doing it.

And it's

It's terrible.

Yeah.

So I'm not gonna lie, this is one of those ones where I'm like humans don't make sense.

I think I like I love it.

I like to f I like to follow data.

The data does not show anything that justifies the effort people are putting into AI.

So our clients haven't really seen any increase in their AI leads in the last year.

They're really low, like small.

So we track this for every single one.

We track how many leads they get from ChatGPT, how many they get from Claude, whatever.

It's tiny.

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