Justin Richmond
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first heard Feb 2025
last heard Feb 2025
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So that song was really personal. Exhale was more from watching the movie. Watching the movie. You don't necessarily have to write from personal experience. You can, but you can watch others.
You can hear all of my conversation with Babyface in the Broken Record episode that we're going to link to in the show notes. There's so much more to it, including how some of his biggest influences were singer-songwriters like James Taylor and the Beatles. Coming up after the break, Pushkin producer Ben Atta-Paffrey tells Leah about writing his own love song.
Malcolm Gladwell is a best-selling author, the host of Revisionist History, and Pushkin's resident country music aficionado. When I heard we were doing a Valentine's Day music episode, I knew we were going to have to get a stake.
And no piano to lift their spirits.
Yeah, I'm looking at this church. I'm like, this is Roy Orbison. They're all Church of Christ. They're all Church of Christ. Loretta Lynn. Woody Guthrie.
So stands to reason, then, that, like, in the continuum of, you know, when it comes to love songs and the continuum of sort of emotions that go along with love, country music would fall more on the side of...
sad over a breakup, sad over unrequited love, sad because I'm in a marriage that I don't want to be in, but I'm still in love with my high school sweetheart or whatever, you know, whatever those songs are that these sad kind of loves not going right or breaking up.
It is like- So petty.
Yeah, they're not enough in the details in rock.
So he's saying that you left me to be with him. He's saying Dallas with a level of disdain.
But you see, this is why, and you know, when I was talking to Leah, this is why I think R&B is the greatest genre for love songs. I don't ever want to be the guy in Fort Worth pining about the woman who left me to upgrade to go to Dallas. Like, that's why, like, Whitney Houston, like, you know, in her song, she catches, like, the guy cheating. And she says, it's not right, but it's okay.
I'm going to make it anyway. Like, I want to, you left me, fine. I'm not going to wallow. I'm just going to move on with my life. Bigger, better things. Like, that's...
So, I mean, is there a hope for the country music? I mean, like, you know, I guess there are country music songs explicitly about love. They're just not as good. They're just not. They're not the A-tier country music songs, right? I mean, there's like Forever and Ever, Amen, Randy Travis. People play at their wedding or whatever.
It's very wistful.
Oh, man. What does it say about you, Malcolm, that when you're asked to think what genre might be the greatest for love songs, your mind goes to the breakup song?
But there's no part of being around you that feels mired in sadness or depression.
leah i mean several points well taken from malcolm uh you know i love country music dearly i think songwriting is impeccable and they certainly do a love song and a sad song incredibly well but you know i i just i guess i just i just like a more happy song i like a more i just i don't know i don't know if i can live like in that kind of misery
Well, Leah, you know, I feel like we're back to where we started, which is, you know, I mean, you're probably right. Look, the whole idea of genre is, it's a man-made creation, and there's probably no way to categorize what sort of genre and what culture does the love song the best. It's just, it's so subjective. It's so totally subjective.
And, you know, it's for me, based on my personal experiences, still R&B. I mean, I think I'm even further entrenched in my position now at this point. But, you know, I love that Malcolm and Ben both have their strong feelings. And I love that you're ever sort of non-committalness around any of this.
Well, you know, no, no, no. Celebrate Valentine's Day. I made a great playlist of love songs. Listen to that. We'll put that in the show notes and listen to that, not the sad songs, please.
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