Katherine Ramsland

Well, it's one of the reasons I wanted to work with him, is he's an outlier to the formulas.

But he's not the only one.

I mean, I know of others that do not have any kind of horrific childhood experiences.

That is a formula.

That's an idea that they all have.

And to the point where I've been told by some experts in the field, oh, he just lied to you.

Well, OK, but I talked to other people who knew him as a kid, too.

And there wasn't really his family was like all American, middle class, Kansas, religious family, both parents, both sets of grandparents.

a farm kid, oldest of four brothers, had buddies in high school, had girlfriends.

he didn't have abuse in his background.

Success had a lot to do with luck.

Yeah.

Cause he made mistakes and he knew he did and he was scared.

but the police didn't pick up on it.

And you know, it's the 70s.

They didn't have all the things we have today.

They didn't have databases.

They didn't have forensic instruments.

They didn't have DNA.

There's all kinds of things they did not have as an aid in investigation.