Katherine Ramsland
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Do you think I would get it out of their system?
He thought so.
He said that had there been S&M clubs...
that he could go to or something like that where he had a way to vent and, you know, just let off some of the pressure of the kinds of fantasies he had.
He thought that would actually have made a difference for him.
In Kansas?
I mean.
We're talking 1970s.
The 80s in a very religious community.
He can't be is going to have to be somewhere else.
He can't he can't be seen going.
He's a president.
I think his vice president and president.
I mean, he's he's got a family.
He's got appearances to keep up.
So it's not as if he can just go join some S&M club.
But I don't think there were any in Wichita at the time.
He was in a very isolated place, too, with his toy box.
Yeah.
He also had accomplices who were bringing people to him.