Katja Adler

What's happening in Ukraine isn't just about Russia-Ukraine, because if there's a bad peace deal for Ukraine in here, then there's going to be a massive high five between Russia, North Korea, China and Iran as well. And so he's hoping to persuade the United States that it's in its interest to remain invested in European security. Will Donald Trump be persuaded?

What's happening in Ukraine isn't just about Russia-Ukraine, because if there's a bad peace deal for Ukraine in here, then there's going to be a massive high five between Russia, North Korea, China and Iran as well. And so he's hoping to persuade the United States that it's in its interest to remain invested in European security. Will Donald Trump be persuaded?

For many in Europe, that war does seem far away and they don't want to reduce spending on social security, for example, in order to give more to the defence budget. And Mark Ritter is saying that Europe is short-sighted because there's not only a threat of unconventional warfare, but also conventional warfare. He says in four or five years' time, there could be long-range missiles from Russia in

For many in Europe, that war does seem far away and they don't want to reduce spending on social security, for example, in order to give more to the defence budget. And Mark Ritter is saying that Europe is short-sighted because there's not only a threat of unconventional warfare, but also conventional warfare. He says in four or five years' time, there could be long-range missiles from Russia in

to the United Kingdom, into The Hague in the Netherlands. That's what he told me. How likely is it that Russia under Vladimir Putin would roll the tanks into a NATO member state like Poland, compared to disinformation, misinformation, cyber attacks, or critical infrastructure like those internet cables for financial transactions?

to the United Kingdom, into The Hague in the Netherlands. That's what he told me. How likely is it that Russia under Vladimir Putin would roll the tanks into a NATO member state like Poland, compared to disinformation, misinformation, cyber attacks, or critical infrastructure like those internet cables for financial transactions?

Do you see that as credible or is this scare tactics?

Do you see that as credible or is this scare tactics?

If Donald Trump reduces military support, if he does concentrate on Asia, for example, and turns his back more on Europe, can Europe go it alone? Yes, there's talks about not just agreeing this 2% of GDP spending, which was agreed 10 years ago, but 2.5, that's what the UK is aiming for, three possibly in the near future, if that's possible. Is that enough? How worried should Europeans feel?

If Donald Trump reduces military support, if he does concentrate on Asia, for example, and turns his back more on Europe, can Europe go it alone? Yes, there's talks about not just agreeing this 2% of GDP spending, which was agreed 10 years ago, but 2.5, that's what the UK is aiming for, three possibly in the near future, if that's possible. Is that enough? How worried should Europeans feel?

But could Europe go it alone in terms of defence?

But could Europe go it alone in terms of defence?

Jonathan Beale in Ukraine, do take care and thank you very much.

Jonathan Beale in Ukraine, do take care and thank you very much.

Thanks for having us in your headphones. Goodbye.

Thanks for having us in your headphones. Goodbye.

Hello, I'm Katya Adler, host of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. Each weekday, we break down one big news story with fresh perspectives from journalists around the world.

Hello, I'm Katya Adler, host of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. Each weekday, we break down one big news story with fresh perspectives from journalists around the world.

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