Ken Foy

So we're going to have a little listen to him sort of doing his best to sound as if, you know, panorama means nothing to him.

Yeah, so he's claiming he doesn't really, he doesn't care about this programme that's coming up, but he does care about a lot of other different things.

Like he talks in particular about how he's been treated in Ireland by the authorities and the media.

And the authorities to the state, essentially, is what he believes has kind of... And the media, of course.

Now, as the conversation goes on, you're making increased efforts to try and get a statement from him.

And you're trying to sort of get him to commit and to clarify when that will be sent and by what means.

And you sort of repeatedly offer him an opportunity to do an interview.

But he's savvy.

He doesn't want to give anything to you because of where you're working and what it will do for the overall company.

So back then...

The company we worked for was called INM.

What does it stand for, Nicola?

I can't remember.

No, it's Independent News and Media.

I had a little bit of a brain thing there.

But he's aware of this and he brings it up.

Yeah.

Well, we're going to have a little listen to when he does challenge you about your employers and how you really would prefer to work with a freelancer rather than a media organisation.

So it is really interesting and it just shows how he has a real understanding of what the media is because, you know, in the end of the day, most media groups are a business that are making money and they're making it from news stories and scoops and all the rest of it.

And he gets that and he understands that if he releases a statement that he's so high profile that this is going to be a big news story.