Kim Leadbetter

We blame people who've got a different life story.

And that is dangerous.

And that does push people towards the extremes.

But sometimes that means having difficult conversations, nuanced conversations, listening, empathizing, all those things that, you know, we're too busy to do.

And I think that's what we've got to try and recapture.

Yeah, look, I had a great life because I started my career in the private sector as a national sales manager.

I then went back to university when I was 25.

I did my degree in a subject I felt passionately about, health, fitness and sport.

I became a lecturer, so I worked in further and higher education.

I absolutely loved it.

I ran my own business, teaching exercise classes and personal training, cheesy 80s aerobics, boxer size, legs, bums and tums.

You know, I had a really full life.

And Jo would always say to me, yeah, but Kim, you should be doing more.

You should be stepping up and getting involved in politics.

And I used to say, look, Jo, people make a difference in different ways.

And I know that I was making a difference to the people that I worked with.

And I was about to go back to do a master's degree, actually.

And the open morning for the university was the week that Jo was killed.

So I never made it.

And she was really encouraging of that.