Kristin Demoranville
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first heard Jun 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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Like these are things that are like kind of crazy. We can 3D print a salmon. It'll be pro team, but we can do it. So for me, why aren't we attaching cybersecurity to technology more? And I don't want to get into the whole product security conversation because that's a whole different rabbit hole. And I blessings upon the people who do that work.
But why aren't we having more of that conversation inside of these environments? It's because cyber needs a rebrand for OT. We literally cannot explain what we do very well. And I think if we could, we'd probably win more hearts and minds for that people process us for sure.
Yeah, no, exactly. And I think we have to think beyond it inside of the OT environment. So I'll give an example, right? You have an allergen issue inside of a factory. So you have a peanut area and a non-peanut area. You have a disgruntled employee that goes from the peanut area to the non-peanut area. Whose problem is that? Right. Sure. Food safety, food defense. Absolutely.
You get that problem. But it's also cybersecurity's problem because with the industry that we work in, food and ag, cyber physical is still cybersecurity to me. Physical security is still cybersecurity to me. That access control should have been managed better, whether it would have been biometrics, if you could do that without gloves or those kind of things, eye scans, badge readers, that's cyber.
And IT, which also could be connected to OT depending on your access level control where you are. Cameras. There should have been cameras. There wasn't.
I mean, the only reason they found out is because they did some testing on the other end from quality and they realized, oh, whoops, we have, you know, peanuts in our cookie that we shouldn't have that go out to this major retailer, which they lost that retailer because of that incident. They lost it. They lost face. It was a mess. It was a total brand incident, total nightmare.
That to me is something that cybersecurity and OT should have been involved in. It shouldn't have happened in the first place because they should have set up parameters to get around that, you know, not to ever happen. And then on top of it, we should have had that conversation. We should have been part of that conversation.
That bothers me a lot that we don't think that far because that's a resilience piece. Because people are like, oh, well, that's not an adversary. That's not a cyber attack. It's an insider threat. To me, describing this incident to a food defense professional, they literally said that's terrorism. They would class that as terrorism on their report.
And I went, wow, so that's like domestic terrorism? They're like, yeah. And I'm like, whoa. So now we have a whole other level of things I didn't understand at that time. And now looking back on it and thinking about the system as a whole, yeah, we have a stake in this. We have responsibility. Access control is our problem.
And I've had to define what a cyber physical system is multiple times recently. I thought it was self-explanatory. I'm not picking on people who don't know, but I literally have had four people in the last two weeks ask me exactly what that is. And I've been on air when it's happened. And I'm like, well, it's something that can get on the internet.
Like, I guess that's how the best way I would describe it to you. It's something that could be both physical and cyber related. So push a button, pull a lever, but you can also sit on your couch and push a button on your phone. And people are like, oh, cyber physical. Wouldn't that just be IOT? I'm like, not necessarily. So it's a...
We've got some we've got some branding term issues we need to deal with in order to make this more mainstream, even though it is mainstream because we all eat and we all work and around this a lot. And I don't I don't think it's us. I don't know. I don't know what it is.
But we need kind of a rebrand in the OT side to be able to start communicating what we need in order to serve the companies and the people that we do. Because we can sit in a room all day long and geek out and get excited. We do every time we're at a conference together. Everybody's like, woo!
I will say that OTICS conferences are my favorite, not because I'm biased because I'm in the niche, but we have a different conversation. It's personal. It's almost intimate because we understand the human factor here differently. And we look at it like that in a very severe way. And like you said, it's not sexy all the time. We have to wear more protective gear.
It makes us look crazy all the time. I mean, you have hard hats behind you. I mean, I have had to wear multiple hairnets and like basically a shield and you have to like put yourself into a zip up like white suit and booties. Like it is not, you are not attractive. You look like a steak puff marshmallow. What went wrong? But I still love it.
Like, I can't imagine not working in this industry, right? Like, I can't imagine not being here. And the fact that I get to sit on podcasts like this and talk to people like you, it's just so much fun. I have such a great time here. Hey, listeners, we'll take a quick break, but don't go anywhere. Just a reminder to check out our website for all things Bites and Bites.
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If you go on a hospital, forget the hospital.
It's a return on investment, right? You've got to value your property, if you will, or your IP or whatever you want to call it. If you don't, then running into this constant recovery mode that we're stuck in. On repeat, we are on repeat in recovery mode. We need to get out of recovery mode and start focusing on being resilient because it's going to happen.
happen and there are cost-effective ways to get around it but again it's not the sexy stuff it's the people stuff right and nobody wants to talk about people because we're hard and maybe that's part of the reason why food and ag and even water kind of got left to the side is because people are hard and maybe that's part of it also the people who came to the table first were oil and gas sure i mean they have a stronger lobby but most of the countries that are out there also have their critical infrastructure and food and ag was put on there's the first bit so i don't
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