Kristin Demoranville
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first heard Jun 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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And I think of that often, especially within the food system that we're working in. And it's scary, but it's not to the point where we can reverse some of this, right? We can still work through this. Like you said, we're primates. We're just trying to figure it out, right? And as someone who studied primates, gorillas specifically, I definitely feel that on a whole other level.
The basic needs will be met no matter what happens. Hopefully it's just not in chaos.
Yeah. We just have to work with it, I guess, is the best way to do it and adjust to it rather than, oh, it's the end of the world. It's not. We just have to make adjustments that may be a little bit uncomfortable. Swinging it back into cybersecurity. And this is what I love about doing this show is because we kind of expand our knowledge set a lot more when we talk.
As a cybersecurity expert, and I think both of you agree, the more you're informed about the things around the systems that you protect and the different type of people you protect, the better you can be at protecting them. Because if you don't have that knowledge, then what are you doing?
Andrew, I'm sure when you went and worked with the air traffic control, I mean, at the time, were you an air traffic control specialist or was that something you learned on the job?
No, we're definitely a very rare, small, niche-y breed of people. And we're very proud of it, actually. We get us in a room and we all completely geek out together. We really are a community, which I appreciate. And not just on the U.S. side, it's global. We talk to everybody. We're trying to educate more and more. I mean, I've double-niched myself between OT and the food industry.
So I'm kind of like a party of one, you know, a lot. Yeah. Which is okay. And you know what? I'm hopeful that people will join the party because we do have a lot of fun over here for food and ag. As we're wrapping up this conversation, because wow, I feel like I've learned a lot, which I really appreciate greatly.
Is there anything that you want to discuss about some of the future trends that are coming up? The things that are going to, we need to keep on our radar, not only as cybersecurity professionals, but any of the food people that are listening and beyond.
Based on the FBI, right? I've sat in some food defense meetings talking with the FBI, and they always keep saying, get to know your field office.
I think also having agro tech in general be built with security in mind, as well as really super important. So any product security people that are on here, hello, can you do that for us? That'd be great, because it would just get that little bit more of okay, we're somewhat protective. And now we just have to do everything else around it.
That would be a lot more assuring, I'm sure to a farmer than just going down to like the local farm store and buying, you know, a drone that doesn't necessarily, you know, connects and everything, it could cause a problem or something like that is a bad example. But I really think that we need to have better product security inside of this, the farm tech.
That's great advice too. As we're wrapping up for a final here, any last words before we go to the listeners?
I really wish that people would share more. And this is why I always say that cybersecurity in a lot of ways is about mitigating shame. It's not just about risk, it's shame. Because people feel a sense of shame when they get hacked. They feel a sense of shame when they haven't done enough or they have to report it. They have to suck in, oh, I did something wrong.
I don't think people realize how much we don't look at it like that. We're like, OK, what happened? All facts. Okay, good. Now let's deal with it. Or this is the things we could do to prevent that feeling in the first place.
And I really wish that people would deal with the shame up front and know that they just have to deal with everything that's going on to avoid the icky, oh God, we might've killed somebody because we poisoned our food or something else really bad happened or people just died.
Yeah, let's not, we need to stop that too because that's, you know, scapegoating isn't going to help in the long run. Just makes your company look like a bunch of jerks. That's frustrating. And then here we go back to the simple aspects of farming. Again, they now have to worry about cybersecurity. It's kind of a bunch of crap, right? Because this is frustrating. They just want to grow plants.
Like this is what their family's been doing forever or whatever they've chosen the career to do it. And now here we are overloading them. So the idea is to make it easier for them instead of fighting with it. Yes, you have to report when things happen. Yes, you need to reach out to your peers. Yes, you need to talk to people. You all talk to each other anyways. Keep talking to each other.
You know, we need to know what's going on. And we really have to stop this silo thing that we have in cybersecurity and beyond of we don't talk to each other. I hate that. This is what makes us insecure. We have to communicate things that are going on and not because, oh, shame, legal. Oh, I can't talk about it. You could talk about it and just not talk about it. You know what I mean?
There's a way we're all really good at it. We're all really good about not talking about companies. But yes, something happened. And we need to share the steps that were taken instead of the after effect of crisis teams and all of a sudden recovery. And we're going to be resilient through this.
If some kind of major incident happened at a small farming company or a midsize farm company, it would take them out financially because nobody has 10 million in the bank necessarily, right?
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