Kurt Mills

national security.

And I think the risks of going in versus going versus, you know, keeping our powder dry are pretty clear.

The Latin America has a lot of problems.

South America has a lot of problems.

But what it doesn't have historically in Venezuela is the one exception vis-a-vis Colombia.

What it doesn't have.

is these massive refugee crises that we saw in the Syrian case and the Libyan case.

And so I think the way to think about Maduro is as maybe a Latino Gaddafi.

And what do we learn from the Gaddafi case?

What do we learn by not listening to Gaddafi himself?

If you break it, you buy it and you will see tons of people flowing over.

So I think it is curious and I think he deserves due deference as a sort of expert on this.

But you hearing that people like Stephen Miller

allied with Marco Rubio for this regime change plan, I think you'd be completely counterproductive.

And then if we're going to talk about fentanyl, the reality here, and I think there's concerning Iraq war parallels, the reality here is some of these guys are just cooking this up.

Fentanyl is not what Venezuela is in the business of.

Is there fentanyl in Venezuela?

Probably above zero.

But Mexico is the fentanyl ground to that, not Venezuela.

Oh, it certainly could be.