Lars Steiger

And business development happens from time to time, like, you know, writing blog posts or doing stuff like that.

Like I'm doing now.

So kind of talking to you.

It was, well, back then, I think it was also in the

Well, between, say, $5,000 to $20,000 between that.

So it was kind of okay for Ruben back then to leave his job and continue working on it.

He got a good offer from them.

So they started doing business here in Switzerland and opened the shop here.

And he was offered to build up a team and work with them.

And it was kind of a challenge for him.

And I already started working on Mailplane 3.

So Mailplane was covered with me.

Things were fine for him to try.

What year was that, though?

living out of it so I enjoy that kind of living you know I'm independent of time and place somehow I can work from everywhere from time to time I go to the US or go to other places where I work and live

And so I enjoy that kind of living.

It depends on the price, actually.

But I don't think so, because it's difficult to launch a new product.

to find the audience and stuff like that.

And so if you have a product in place, which is pretty established, then the best thing is to continue doing it and make the best out of it.