Lars Steiger

Uh, guess aliens.

No, I don't know, actually.

I don't know.

I haven't made any thoughts about that.

and they never want to sell it because it's an amazing lifestyle no matter what the price is there any tipping point for you where you'd say you know what it makes perfect sense for me to sell it um I can't tell you because I haven't made any thought about it but um I'm it must if we would sell it it would also have to be a good fit for our customers so because

We don't sell it because of the numbers because we already make a living out of it.

So what can you do more?

I can't disclose those numbers, sorry.

no actually there are enough people are using it to make us happy because that's an important important number for us it's uh how do you measure don't tell us what the number is then how do you measure active is it they log on at least once they send at least one email through it per week what's active um the most important number for us is the number of um

and users who download updates so if they if you know if we publish a minor update then we we see the numbers the number of users who are downloading it and that's an important number for us so we know about how many users are actively caring about that product if somebody downloads all your updates but never sends an email through it is that happy

I don't know if that really happens.

It doesn't make sense because you have to start the application in order to download the update.

So you have to at least start it.

They can connect on melplanet.com and the email address is support at melplanet.com.

It's David Heinemeyer Hansen.

So it's a partner at Basecamp, formerly known as Seven Signals.

It's Basecamp Publishing.

Yes, I get.

Because I think that's a few luxury which I granted myself.

Having no alarm clock.