Leidy Klotz
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first heard Jul 2026
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um, the connection to depression basically.
And so like you, the, again, this isn't my, I'm not a psychologist who's going to meet with somebody and help them make their life better.
But the, um, from what I understand, you know, psychologists will sometimes if somebody is depressed, prescribe, Hey, well clean up your kitchen or rearrange your living room.
And it's not because a clean kitchen or a re-arranged living room makes them
feel better it's because the act of doing it kind of restores some of this sense of agency in the world around them and i think probably for the nursing home example is like these are people who have had agency taken away in a lot of other ways right they're getting moved into a nursing home and they're not able to do some of the things that they used to do and it's probably particularly acute if you then can't also move the physical spaces and i think
the idea would be that, you know, having agency and this can work in both directions, having agency in the physical space can then spill over to having agency in other places, but also not having agency in the physical space can spill over and to make you feel like you're not having it in other places, which then it correlates to with depression and some of these other things that can be really devastating.
Yeah, exactly.
And, you know, to go back to the Susan Cain office example, right?
It's like, so this could mean, yes, it could mean rearranging your office and, you know, being able to hang pictures of your family on the wall, but it could also just mean.
hey, I know I can use the conference room for an impromptu meeting, or I know that I can, you know, navigate through the space, or I know that I can go outside for a walk if I want to have a walking meeting with somebody.
And so it's like, part of it is, I think we get stuck in feeling like the intervention needs to be something physically done to the space, which sometimes it does, but sometimes you can also have an intervention just in how you kind of move among the spaces to which you have access.
Yeah.
And that's a good I mean, one of the tips or one of the remedies, I think, for when you notice your agency is being taken away in a space because they're just certainly there are certain times when that happens and there's nothing you can do about it.
Right.
But then using that as a cue to realize why you're frustrated and then do something about it.
Right.
So take agency in some other way.
So putting on the headphones is a small thing.
Or if you you know, if you're.
stuck in the office at a certain time you can rearrange your desk to face the light or if you're forced to come back to the office maybe you can kind of set your commute time differently and so i think using using that feeling of hey i have agency taken away when you recognize it and then kind of when you feel that using that as a cue to find agency somewhere else yeah that lands
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