Liz Dzeng
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first heard Oct 2020
last heard Dec 2023
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There's a lot of moral distress around that.
And yet
that still happens.
Like why does that happen?
And and so there are instances where you know people talk about like how they tried to do it and then you know they got halfway through or they spent weeks doing it and then something thwarted it.
Like you know, as you said, like leadership, ethics, you know, risk management, something.
And so they they're like, oh my goodness.
And then so so it
Right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the the one important part of it are extreme cases as we call it.
And so yeah, if you've if you've spent like, you know, uh weeks trying to like work with somebody to de escalate and then you go off service and then they're suddenly tricked and pegged in here.
Then you're like, well, what was the point of all of that work?
And um, you know, I think there was one really um memorable quote was like, it takes away a piece of your soul and you decide you never want to do it again, you know, try to de-escalate or um, you know, try to really work hard to try to um do what you think is ethically correct.
And so um I think what
what sort of the main point of the paper is is that actually the confluence of all of these different factors of thwarting and or encouraging of de-escalation creates an equilibrium at each of each of these institutions.
And so you know the combination of the institutional structures as well as the extreme cases that each individual doctor
um feels will actually help create this different culture, be it high or low intensity.
Yeah.
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