Louise Byrne

I don't know if that's necessarily fair, but...

I think they're not... He's young to swear off, like... Yeah, but they're not... I don't think this was unexpected.

Like, I think, you know, they always... Why should he?

Why should he?

He does need to remember as well, he's always going to be the former Taoiseach, he's always going to be the former Fianna Fáil leader and that perhaps needs to be considered too.

I surely am.

Yeah.

And I mean, Jen's piece, like you said, went up on Friday and myself and two of my colleagues were driving up to Belfast on Friday afternoon.

And we were kind of predicting what was going to happen.

And we were saying there's going to be no talk now of this at the Ardèche because Sinn Féin are very good at kind of, you know,

pulling up the shutters behind them and saying, no, no, no, it's fine, like it's grand and nothing to see here.

So and speaking to TDs and speaking to members yesterday, they were saying that there is no threat to Mary Lou.

But they were rattled by that piece by Jen, which I have no doubt in my mind that there are cohorts that are saying this because there's cohorts within

Every party.

But I think what was remarkable is you don't have Sinn Féin members and politicians briefing against their leader.

So that piece was remarkable in and of itself.

But it's just one of a few remarkable things.

So what was, I guess, kind of leading up before I get into the Ardash, the other remarkable thing is Mary Lee MacDonald not getting her preferred candidate on the Dublin Central by-election ticket.

That was interesting in and of itself.

At the Ardash, I mean, I've been to a few Sinn Féin Ardash and at this stage, on the Friday evening, there was quite a heated debate about fox hunting.