Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer

And again, before I let Eric, one second, before I turn it over to Eric, remember, we're talking about a massive investment of resources, as you as a businessman would recognize as a priority, yet somehow they reduced it down to a map of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did. because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and push us away.

And again, before I let Eric, one second, before I turn it over to Eric, remember, we're talking about a massive investment of resources, as you as a businessman would recognize as a priority, yet somehow they reduced it down to a map of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did. because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and push us away.

Which is not true. There was no violation.

Which is not true. There was no violation.

No. I think it may exist.

No. I think it may exist.

Well, can I add something real quick? Yeah. We had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of individuals of interest via mosques, all the mosques, Alejandra Mogulina.

Well, can I add something real quick? Yeah. We had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of individuals of interest via mosques, all the mosques, Alejandra Mogulina.

And the DOD interviewed her and then basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via Orion Scientific as the source. detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data. It was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque level, which makes it hugely controversial.

And the DOD interviewed her and then basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via Orion Scientific as the source. detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data. It was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque level, which makes it hugely controversial.

You and I can agree that the whole issue... Pat, there's a bigger story here.

You and I can agree that the whole issue... Pat, there's a bigger story here.

I knew who they were. I was down there several times. Let me explain. So we were under SOCOM. We were using the Army. Eric can explain. The Army wanted to pull out, by the way. The Army did not like the fact we were using their technology for our operations. Why not? Why wouldn't they? Because, well, you want to explain that?

I knew who they were. I was down there several times. Let me explain. So we were under SOCOM. We were using the Army. Eric can explain. The Army wanted to pull out, by the way. The Army did not like the fact we were using their technology for our operations. Why not? Why wouldn't they? Because, well, you want to explain that?

We weren't intelligence. I know this is going to sound weird. We were doing our effort under Title 10. Title 10 is known as traditional military activity. That's why I went to CURT as harm services, not intelligence, to ask for money for the Navy.

We weren't intelligence. I know this is going to sound weird. We were doing our effort under Title 10. Title 10 is known as traditional military activity. That's why I went to CURT as harm services, not intelligence, to ask for money for the Navy.

So my point, I'm trying to underscore what Kurt is saying, we were – an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit. Although we were intelligence officers, we were doing operations. It's called J-3 versus J-2. And that was one of the controversial points because we didn't recognize the limits on U.S. citizens because we didn't have to.

So my point, I'm trying to underscore what Kurt is saying, we were – an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit. Although we were intelligence officers, we were doing operations. It's called J-3 versus J-2. And that was one of the controversial points because we didn't recognize the limits on U.S. citizens because we didn't have to.

Traditional military activities, Title X, is what George Washington did during the Continental Army, what they did. And so that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is, Kurt funded the advanced technology that we, SOCOM, figured out how to get and use. That technology then, used by Eric, put together the series of charts, which then became the basis for the plans we were using.

Traditional military activities, Title X, is what George Washington did during the Continental Army, what they did. And so that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is, Kurt funded the advanced technology that we, SOCOM, figured out how to get and use. That technology then, used by Eric, put together the series of charts, which then became the basis for the plans we were using.