Lucy Biggers

And I need to just...

kind of apologize, stay small and like atone.

And like, hopefully they'll all be accepted by the group because like, sorry guys.

Like, so it was a very like sad ideology to live by, but I think that my experience is very common in my way of just being a good ally.

I took it out by building up this climate.

movement and brand.

And again, this is all in retrospect that I'm saying this.

At the time, it was all subconscious.

And only now, years later, I left that job in 2021.

I went to a nonprofit for one year, and that's when I then heard about Barry's podcast.

Barry Weiss is my boss now at The Free Press.

And she started The Free Press, and I've been out at The Free Press since 2022.

And so that's even been more of a, like, deprogramming, essentially.

So, yeah.

It was something that was just accepted.

In retrospect, I think it's so weird.

I think it's such a red flag.

But at the time, I think this ideology of the climate movement and the nihilism and the apocalyptic thinking, it has a lot of religious undertones.

And so I think Greta was accepted as like this beacon of hope, right?

She was a Joan of Arc character.