Lucy Biggers

and this idea that the youth are unspoiled by the sins of this world, so she's a truth-sayer.

That's how I saw her, right?

I thought she was so brave, and I did not... I would laugh when I would see the conservative critique of her that was like,

oh, why do you have a 15-year-old leading your movement?

I'd be like, I just don't get it, you know?

And now I think that's a very valid critique.

Why does a movement need a teenager to be its leader?

We're living in the real world here, and things like our energy system are not something that a 15-year-old who's never paid an energy bill in her life should be talking about.

But again, it was so ideological.

And so when I met her, which was 2019, May of 2019...

I just was able to, my producer at the time, was able to get an interview with her, which was a big get.

So we flew to Stockholm, which I put the carbon emissions of the flight out of my mind.

I'm like, it's for the greater good.

And I interviewed her and the things that I took away from it the most, it was a very professional operation, right?

Like she brought her bike in multiple times to get multiple shots for me and other camera crews that were there.

I think 60 Minutes Australia was also there and a few other outlets.

And I had a designated time with her, only about, like, 20 minutes.

And I thought she was actually very articulate and had a great quality, actually, about her.

She has charisma, obviously, to lead a movement like this.

And so I thought my interactions with her were lovely.