Luke O'Neill

Now, he's very senior on the Vaccine Advisory Committee to the US government.

Now, you have someone like that in the room.

Other scientists are trying to counter what he says, of course.

But he's a very dominant voice in the whole thing.

And if he can't trust established science, why can't he trust it?

He says, science is what I observe.

Yeah, exactly.

That's right, yes, which goes against the whole principle of science in the first place.

And he cast doubt on the necessity for polio vaccines and measles vaccines.

I mean, this guy's crazy.

It's crazy.

And then he's so powerful.

And of course, what's happening there is they're saying, look, if Trump and RFK Jr.

want their agenda through, they'll stack the committees with people, not just in this area, in many areas.

But in science in particular, if you deny the science, you do it at your peril, is the view.

Now, there's a huge irony here that if they see China as, you know, the great competitor to be the world's number one superpower.

I mean, China is huge in green energy, solar panels in wind.

I mean, they generate a huge amount of wind energy themselves, even as they're still probably opening coal fired power stations, but with the view of shutting them down as soon as they can.

That's exactly right.

And the Chinese is the good comparison because they're investing massively in research in this area.