Luke Rodgers

We had Mike on twice before Mike passed away. Yeah. But we had Heizer on twice. I think, Nate, we've talked about this a lot, but his book, Unseen Realm, which we were talking about yesterday, Zach, that you just read a couple weeks ago, was really like a seminal piece of our show and influence on our show. Because I think what Nate was saying is true. We-

We're just trying to talk about and contextualize a lot of the things that people experience and see. Things we're talking about in mainstream media. We kind of hit it at a crazy time because we're two years into the podcast in 2022, and all of a sudden, Congress is having House Oversight Committees on UAPs, right?

We're just trying to talk about and contextualize a lot of the things that people experience and see. Things we're talking about in mainstream media. We kind of hit it at a crazy time because we're two years into the podcast in 2022, and all of a sudden, Congress is having House Oversight Committees on UAPs, right?

We're just trying to talk about and contextualize a lot of the things that people experience and see. Things we're talking about in mainstream media. We kind of hit it at a crazy time because we're two years into the podcast in 2022, and all of a sudden, Congress is having House Oversight Committees on UAPs, right?

And we're already talking about the weird stuff and trying to contextualize it within a biblical worldview, a biblical context. So if we're Christians, how are we to think about the weird stuff? When we look at our Bible, how do we...

And we're already talking about the weird stuff and trying to contextualize it within a biblical worldview, a biblical context. So if we're Christians, how are we to think about the weird stuff? When we look at our Bible, how do we...

And we're already talking about the weird stuff and trying to contextualize it within a biblical worldview, a biblical context. So if we're Christians, how are we to think about the weird stuff? When we look at our Bible, how do we...

Think about some of the things that people would want to gloss over on Sundays, whether it be the conquest of the Promised Land by Joshua, giants, or you go to Genesis 6, which is not a passage you have preached on Sundays a lot, because you have this very odd sons of God saw the daughters of men and saw they were fair, and they took them as wives, and they're Nephilim in the land, and they're after, and these were the men of renown, et cetera, right?

Think about some of the things that people would want to gloss over on Sundays, whether it be the conquest of the Promised Land by Joshua, giants, or you go to Genesis 6, which is not a passage you have preached on Sundays a lot, because you have this very odd sons of God saw the daughters of men and saw they were fair, and they took them as wives, and they're Nephilim in the land, and they're after, and these were the men of renown, et cetera, right?

Think about some of the things that people would want to gloss over on Sundays, whether it be the conquest of the Promised Land by Joshua, giants, or you go to Genesis 6, which is not a passage you have preached on Sundays a lot, because you have this very odd sons of God saw the daughters of men and saw they were fair, and they took them as wives, and they're Nephilim in the land, and they're after, and these were the men of renown, et cetera, right?

This is Genesis 6, one through four.

This is Genesis 6, one through four.

This is Genesis 6, one through four.

Now we just had a conversation about Bigfoot, which is where, this is where our show, like sort of tongue-in-cheek begins, even every episode, right? It's like there's this, Bigfoot's a gateway drug. It's the most seen cryptid in the United States and in the world, and especially it's part of Americana now. But you have so many hundreds,

Now we just had a conversation about Bigfoot, which is where, this is where our show, like sort of tongue-in-cheek begins, even every episode, right? It's like there's this, Bigfoot's a gateway drug. It's the most seen cryptid in the United States and in the world, and especially it's part of Americana now. But you have so many hundreds,

Now we just had a conversation about Bigfoot, which is where, this is where our show, like sort of tongue-in-cheek begins, even every episode, right? It's like there's this, Bigfoot's a gateway drug. It's the most seen cryptid in the United States and in the world, and especially it's part of Americana now. But you have so many hundreds,

if not maybe even thousands of encounters, reported encounters a year, and as Heiser said, and I promise this is full circle, but as Mike said, and said on our show, which kind of stuck with us, is that if even one of these is true, is real, right, then it busts the paradigm, and you gotta figure out how you put something this odd into your worldview, And how do you make sense of that?

if not maybe even thousands of encounters, reported encounters a year, and as Heiser said, and I promise this is full circle, but as Mike said, and said on our show, which kind of stuck with us, is that if even one of these is true, is real, right, then it busts the paradigm, and you gotta figure out how you put something this odd into your worldview, And how do you make sense of that?

if not maybe even thousands of encounters, reported encounters a year, and as Heiser said, and I promise this is full circle, but as Mike said, and said on our show, which kind of stuck with us, is that if even one of these is true, is real, right, then it busts the paradigm, and you gotta figure out how you put something this odd into your worldview, And how do you make sense of that?

And I think 2022 with the UAP stuff, we had mainstream media. We had Tucker Carlson. We had a number of others, Joe Rogan, of course, but like these other mainstream voices, right? Because mainstream media is dying. This is a whole other conversation. But things like Sean Ryan's show and Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson are talking about this now, right?