Lulu Garcia Navarro

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2,001 appearances 28 recordings 2 series first heard Dec 2024 last heard 13 Jun

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The Daily · 'The Interview': Gov. Maura Healey Wants Democrats to Put Up a Fight · 1 Mar 2025 podcast
Keeley is a former civil rights lawyer who, in 2014, became the nation's first openly gay state attorney general. In 2022, she won the governorship. And while she may not have the same national profile as some of her colleagues, like J.B. Pritzker of Illinois or Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, she's known as being deeply influential in the party behind closed doors.
So as part of a series of conversations I'm having with Democrats, I wanted to talk to Healy about how she views her role as the governor of a blue state in this second Trump term and how she thinks her party can wage an effective fight. Here's my conversation with Massachusetts Governor Maura Healy. Governor Healy, you just returned from D.C.
for the annual National Governors Association meeting. And you attended an event with the president along with other governors. What did you discuss with the other governors, both Democratic and Republican, while you were there?
And we should say this was about transgender rights and about his executive order to do with transgender rights. And then he called her out. Right. And then she responded immediately. basically, that she would follow the laws of her state and the federal government and the federal government and that she would see him in court. And that didn't seem to go down well.
What was the feeling afterwards among the Democratic governors in particular after that exchange?
Governor, one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is because I am interested to know how Democratic governors are seeing this moment and how to maneuver in the second Trump era. Until now, you've been not as publicly combative as perhaps other governors have been.
And I'm wondering if that's because Donald Trump is seemingly more willing to be punitive or is it because his policies have been popular? I mean, what are you weighing when you're thinking about how to talk about this administration?
You, of course, were AG. You have direct experience with this. I am curious if you really do think that how the AGs are operating, if it's the best way. Because, for example, you were accused of politicizing the AG's office by jumping into national issues. It's something that is often said about AGs. Right. Right. It's become this kind of pattern.
And I'm curious, do you think that AG should be getting in these federal fights so consistently?
Then you saw Republicans do the same, obviously, during the Biden administration. And they would argue that they were doing the same thing.
I was about to say, are you confident that the courts can actually constrain this administration?
I did seem to catch Democrats by surprise. I mean, we have seen Democrats take a beat and have trouble coming to an agreement about what kind of resistance or opposition they're going to pose. You've talked a little bit about what's happening publicly.
I'm curious what has been happening privately, because one of my colleagues reported that you were part of a group of Democratic governors in January who privately urged Senator Chuck Schumer to to fight harder or at least differently against Trump. And I'm curious, like, what you were wanting to see that you weren't seeing.
Do you think the leadership in Congress is the right leadership to enact what you're envisioning?
One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is that I was told by quite a few Democrats that you are very influential in the party beyond your state. And so as you have been having these conversations about moving the party forward, I did want to get your temperature on just the Democratic brand writ large, because polling is showing that
The Democratic brand is really underwater, regardless of what's happening with Donald Trump and what's happening in the White House. The losses were steep in the last election. You are the governor of a solidly blue state. What was your big takeaway about why the Democrats did so badly?
But I'm curious, Governor, because, I mean, I think if you talk to any Democrat, the Biden administration on down, they would say that that was their focus. I mean, you know, they would say that that is precisely what they did during the last four years. They really tried to build up the economy out of a massive recession. They, you know, tried to tackle inflation, et cetera, et cetera.
I am curious how you see that being different than what happened before.
Do you blame part of the failure to defend the Democratic brand, to articulate the vision on the Biden administration? Because you were the first Democratic governor to publicly urge President Biden to exit the race in July of last year. I mean, how much do you think it hurt the party? in voters' eyes, that it seemed like Democrats were sort of hiding President Biden's failing acuity?
Do you think the party is adequately reckoning now with the effects of what happened, though? Because I just saw one of Biden's senior advisors, Mike Donilon, say that the Democratic Party, quote, lost its mind after Biden's poor debate and basically threw an incumbent under the bus and that cost them the election.
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