Lulu Garcia Navarro

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2,001 appearances 28 recordings 2 series first heard Dec 2024 last heard 13 Jun

Lulu Garcia Navarro’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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The Daily · 'The Interview': Gov. Maura Healey Wants Democrats to Put Up a Fight · 1 Mar 2025 podcast
After the break, I asked Governor Healy about the migrant crisis that has played out during her time in office. And we talk more about the Trump administration's campaign against diversity, equity and inclusion.
Governor Healey, the number two issue in your state, according to polling, is immigration, which is something that has plagued Democrats in the last election. 2023 was the year where states like yours saw a big surge. That's also when you became governor. Can you tell me how you've seen this particular issue play out?
One of the most visible strategies Republican governors adopted during the height of the migrant crisis was sending buses and planes of migrants to blue states like yours. Very memorably, Martha's Vineyard. It was a stunt, but you could argue that it worked. It made immigration enforcement into a blue state issue, which it had not been. Shouldn't it always have been, though?
I mean, is it not fair to say that Democrats really did not take this issue seriously?
And yet a poll just came out from UMass and WCBV showing that immigration is very important to people here and a majority of voters don't approve of the way that you've handled it. Why do you think that is?
I mean, you've said before that the right to shelter law wasn't actually made to help waves and waves of people sort of settle here. And you are now seeking to change it. I am curious, why did you come to that decision? Because I think what you're trying to do, among other things, is require anyone seeking shelter to prove that they're in the country legally.
Is that one of the changes that you're trying to make to the law?
As you know, Trump's borders are Tom Homan singled Boston out at CPAC last week. He called out Boston's police commissioner who said because of state law, he won't be enforcing immigration orders against migrants. Homan then said, and I'm quoting here, I'm coming to Boston and bringing hell with me. And I'm wondering what your response to that is.
I think your police commissioner said basically that they weren't going to help ICE remove people with orders of removal, as happens in many sanctuary cities.
Yeah. Yeah.
Another place where the federal and state governments are linked is on education. President Trump has made rolling back DEI, which is diversity, equity and inclusion, central to his political project. He has said now that he's going to be cutting federal funding for schools that include it. We don't know exactly what that means. It's sort of open to interpretation.
You've said that Massachusetts schools are going to stay true to themselves. What do you mean by that?
Why do you think we're seeing such a backlash to DEI, though? You know, people have expressed that they do feel that sort of mandated diversity, equity, and inclusion, they feel that it hasn't been beneficial to relations between races and ethnicities, and that, you know, there is a feeling specifically on the right that this has become a sort of left-wing orthodoxy.
You were, as you mentioned, the country's first openly gay attorney general. Prior to that, you worked in the civil rights division of the AG's office, where you led the first successful challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act. I sued President Obama. You did.
There is some concern among Democrats that after Roe v. Wade, we are going to see Obergefell, the Supreme Court's decision that made gay marriage legal at the federal level, overturned. Next.
And there was a huge amount of fury after Roe fell, but that dissipated. A lot of Democrats thought in this election that Roe was going to be something that was going to galvanize people, and it didn't enough. And so I guess when you look at marriage equality— Does it seem more imminent to you that perhaps people won't stand up for the things that seem to have been settled?
Were you surprised to see the level of importance that trans rights had in this election? And do you think Democrats misread the electorate on the issue, as Seth Moulton, the representative from your own state, said?
Barring change to the Constitution, President Trump can't be reelected.
You know, when I speak to Democratic voters— There is an enormous amount of anger towards the Democratic Party that allowed this to happen. They look at this and they say it was the failure of the Democratic Party that opened the door to Donald Trump coming in. And I just wonder, as a sitting governor and a Democrat, how you respond to that. I agree.
Thank you. Special thanks to Reed Epstein, Rory Walsh, Renan Borelli, Jeffrey Miranda, Maddy Macielo, Jake Silverstein, Paula Schumann, and Sam Dolnik. If you like what you're hearing, follow or subscribe to The Interview wherever you get your podcasts. To read or listen to any of our conversations, you can always go to nytimes.com slash the interview.
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