Mariana van Zeller

He says, look, my wife doesn't even know how good I am.

I am the best of the best of doing this.

Like nobody in the whole world can make this as well as I do.

And I always wanted to be able to talk to somebody and show off how good my skills are.

And you're giving me an opportunity to do this.

So I think ego plays a huge role.

And then impunity, like in places like Mexico, so much corruption, like what's the downside to talking to this woman who comes and asks funny questions, right?

And then I think it's the wanting to be understood.

I think everybody wants to be understood and they know they're considered the bad guys.

They know that there's so much stigma around what they do.

And I tell everybody, I'm here to try to understand what you do.

I'm not here to judge you because I think it's much more important to understand why you do what you do.

Oh, it's freaking fascinating.

It was incredible.

So there's different.

There's the graphics person.

There's the printer.

And then he does the finishing job.

He's the finisher.

And he said he was the best finisher in the job.