Mariana van Zeller

We actually got into a big fight.

You saw a little bit of it.

It got worse.

He's sitting down in front of me and telling me how the LGBTQ community, everyone is disgusting and they're eating the poo-poo.

This is what he says gay people do is they eat the poo-poo.

And I think actually it personally affects us all, right?

Because right now it's that group, but it could one day be, you know, Portuguese people or podcasters.

Of course.

Yeah.

And part of that story was actually to show how it's a lot of the legislation being passed here that is influencing what's happening in Africa.

So it actually impacts all of us.

But yeah, that was a really hard time.

I also interviewed an assassin here.

We did an episode on assassins.

In L.A., most of the episode was filmed in South Africa, which has the highest number of assassinations and one of some of the highest numbers in the world.

But we started that episode interviewing an assassin in L.A.

And that was a really interesting one because that's not season five.

That was season four.

Yeah, that was an interesting one.

Yeah, because the whole point of the show is also to humanize people behind the mask and try to understand why they do what they do.