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Mariana van Zeller

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1675 total appearances

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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

They were Nigerians.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

I found out that there were some Nigerians that owned some of these rehab facilities.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

But Americans, too.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

I mean, there were a lot of them that were Americans.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

So these guys are, like, driving around in Ferraris, and, you know, people are living in these fake centers.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

I spoke to people who the therapy that they were billing, like, $2,500 for a therapy session, one-hour therapy session.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

That was a Zoom meeting, a Zoom call with 600 people on the call.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

And that's the therapy session.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

Or people who weren't even there and they billed for insurance and the people weren't even there.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

You need a license, probably a state license, but in some cases it was just really easy to get a state license.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

In Florida, it became a huge problem.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

It was called the Florida Shuffle, which was this.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

You were going back and forth between detox and rehabs and outpatient treatment centers, and they were all owned by the same sort of

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

you know well known fraudsters so you have to get a license but there's not much more and that was the problem is that anyone could get a license and anyone could operate one of these I was reading about a judge that recently got busted because this judge was sentencing people to the rehab that they owned that is