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Mariana van Zeller

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1675 total appearances

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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

So, for example, it's a huge problem in Arizona, and in California, but we started in Arizona.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

Native Americans have really easy access to health insurance through the Indian American health plan that they created.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

And it started as a good thing because it was difficult.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

A lot of people lived in reservations far away.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

A lot of people, you know, because of generational trauma and alcohol abuse and drug abuse, there's a real need for health insurance and for them to have access to health insurance.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

So you have these huge communities that when COVID happened, the state made it even easier for them to get the help that they needed through health insurance.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

But all these bad actors realized, oh, this is great.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

We're just going to build these fake rehab centers, go around in white vans, literally.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

There's like thousands of people still missing in Arizona, most of them Native Americans.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

And they go out in white vans to these reservations in Arizona and New Mexico.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

And they bring people, people who have problems with drug and alcohol.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

and they bring people to these centers and then they start billing insurance, they get you on an insurance plan and they start billing insurance, crazy amounts of money.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

Like we spoke, we were investigating this one facility that they were making 800 and something,

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

million, sorry, 800 and something thousand, $870,000 a week, a week from, you know, dozens of people that they were housing and not actually providing them the treatment that they so desperately needed.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

Which is also illegal.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

You can't offer somebody free housing and then tell them that you will only get the free housing if you go and do our treatment.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

That's illegal.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

It's an illegal kickback.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

So they were doing this out in the open.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2395 - Mariana van Zeller

And some of these business operators were actually not even Americans.