Mariana van Zeller

She eventually gets pregnant, is forced to give birth to this child.

They take away the child from her and let her see the child once in a while, let the child go into the room to be with her.

She gives birth to a second child, and then after they want two kids, give them two kids, and then they say, okay, if you want, you can go back to Vietnam.

And she says, will I be able to see my kids again?

And he says, no.

You can either go back to Vietnam and be with your family, or you stay here and live the rest of your life locked in a room, but you'll be able to see your kids.

So she had to make this decision.

It was devastating.

Yeah, I didn't even remember that part.

It's extra evil.

When I started talking about her kids and how often does she get to talk to them, because it's not just that she is not able to live with the kids or ever see them again.

It's the fact that she has to live with the guilt of having made that choice.

She abandoned her children and that it's her fault.

And that nobody's talking about it because it's not in the interest of either China or Vietnam to expose this.

And journalism is very heavily surveilled in those countries.

And our whole experience in Vietnam was insane.

It was

At the moment we landed, we knew we were under surveillance.

We had a government minder that would follow us everywhere.

I had to show him my list of questions.