Marina Hyde

It's one of those self-optimization devices.

I slightly felt like you've had two glasses of wine.

Buck up, Stephen.

It's not going down in mine, is it?

These are the good problems to have.

But this thing has sparked a flood of interventions across the podcasting sphere.

Pushback, really, but content mainly.

We've heard from Greg James, Paloma Faith, Vogue Williams, Fern Cotton, Joanne McNally.

And now, as we'll ideally not have escaped our own podcast listeners, we've heard from us on it.

Is this just a way for him to mention his tracker?

It is massive, we should say.

It's one of the biggest podcasts in the country.

I'd like to hear that.

I don't know why I haven't heard that episode, but I need to hear it.

I listen to you a lot, and I like listening to things that you're on, but I feel like I should be a completist with your work.

No, I don't listen to Dario Vecchio.

Yeah, he's very sort of better never sleeps, isn't he?

Yes.

And these were, I mean, the whole thing of wearables and tracking everything, which has been, we'll get on to everyone diving in in a minute, and all the other podcasters, because I think that actually tells us something completely different to what we've been talking about.

You know, he has set himself up to be there, but this is where it gets... He's absolutely made for, like, Fitbits and aura rings and whoop trackers, which I must... Please don't say wearable.