Mark Dubowitz

And I completely agree with you that Trump wants a deal.

By the way, Trump has wanted a deal since his first term with the Iranians.

Trump always wants a deal.

I agree that that's probably where we're heading.

If the Iranians are smart, they'll take a deal.

And if they do, then I think we move to phase two and phase three of what I described earlier.

And I think phase two and phase three of maximum pressure on the regime, maximum support for the Iranian people, and continued fracturing of the support base is something that can be done

The Israelis can lead with American support and much of it, not all of it can be done, not from the air by dropping bombs, but by through other instruments of American and Israeli power, which I'm happy that you and I can talk about.

I think that is the strategy.

Ross, that's my ultimate goal.

And there's a difference.

It may not sound like there is, but there's a difference between me and President Trump.

Well, the first thing is we too would be bombing the regime, not just taking out its military capabilities.

We too would be doing that, would be joining Israel in that.

We would be committing to do that over a sustained period of time.

And we would basically say, we are not gonna finish this until the regime goes down.

And then we can do other things, which I think are things we should do anyway,

And I'm not sure we will.

And I'm not sure the next president would.

And that is actually join the Israelis in this maximum support, maximum fracturing campaign, where ultimately the goal is to get millions of Iranians on the streets.