Mark Dubowitz

And we arm them and we provide them with weapons.

And we're not just arming the Kurds in the northwest of Iran, but we're arming all

all ethnic groups, and the Persians, and we're going after 20 major cities, and we're flooding in weapons, and we are ultimately going to back the Iranian people to bring down the regime, and we're going to do it to the hilt.

The United States of America has not made that commitment.

Israelis want to go there, but they have certain capabilities to do it, but they can't go all the way without American support.

Yeah, I mean, Ross, maybe again, I haven't articulated this well enough and shame on me, but I don't think- There's no shame in podcasting.

Well, let me just try to do a slightly better job, I hope, of doing this.

I mean, I think that I have a vision for success.

I have a vision for significant success and I have a vision for total success.

And I think that-

My vision for success is consistent with the administration's articulation of their military objectives.

If we do severe damage to the war-making capabilities of the Islamic Republic as defined by nuclear, missile, and military, then I think we have succeeded.

Well, it depends on the deal.

If it's a good deal that strips Iran of its remaining war-making capabilities, then yes, that's a success.

Because then through military means and negotiations, we have stripped Iran of its ability to wage war against the United States and our allies.

That's a success to me.

There would be a greater success and a total success if we then move to the next stages that we've discussed through phase two and phase three.

And then we're able to do severe damage to the repression apparatus, open up space.

And one day there are millions of Iranians who come to the streets and we've provided them with support and they take back the country.

And we have Iran that is...