Mark Moyar

Well, I think both of them are tricky issues.

They're not as compelling as the case you have for Vietnam.

I mean, I think in the case of Ukraine, we obviously still have great interests in Europe.

If Eastern Europe gets unsettled, we have problems of migration, which, of course, that's a big issue here.

Potentially, Russia could keep pushing Western.

I'm not convinced that Russia is going to ever

go attack Poland.

But, you know, there is also the sort of human element that you have, you know, mass killings of civilians.

And at some point, you know, as the world's greatest power, that's something we may not want to be willing to tolerate.

Right.

Well, that's that's the thing, too, is I think it's harder to make the case for strategic interest, which is perhaps part of why you don't hear a lot of people in Washington make that case.

I mean, the other reality you have is

You know, we now have a situation where Russia seems to be just using attrition and they've kept sort of calculating on their larger population that they're eventually going to grind Ukraine down, which I think would just be terrible for all concerned.

So, you know, my own view is.

ultimately need to find some kind of solution to stop this, which probably means, you know, the Ukrainians may have to give some things up, which is not great either.

I mean, you don't want to set the precedent for countries taking territory and then keeping it.

But it's really, to me, just a nasty problem without a lot of very good solutions at this point.

You know, I think, you know, the Biden administration

uh i remember a couple years ago they were they thought that the ukrainians were going to um you know prevail militarily and you know the russians did very poorly at the beginning and so i think they thought that was going to continue while it's not um and so i think they miscalculated and

That's an interesting one, too, because they are, historically, the Republican Party has been pretty strongly pro-Israel.