Mark Moyar

I mean, there's actually quite a few of these very senior FBI officials who are caught up in this.

And so things like that, I think, have made certainly the right.

And I think partly what you're seeing on the right is sort of a backlash against this and a broader protest.

Since, yes, the government is broken and it needs radical surgery.

Now, how you actually fix it tends to be a little more difficult than destroying the bad parts.

Yeah, I do think this is one area I think the Internet's been problematic because theories like this would not have been spread 30 years ago in the way they are.

But we now have, you know, people just go to where they like to get their information and they

tune out things that might contradict that.

And so, yeah, I mean, certainly it's been incredible how much play that issue, the Epstein issue, has been receiving.

Now, again, a lot of other people aren't paying much attention to it.

But, of course, you also saw with the Charlie Kirk thing, you have all these conspiracy theories about who was involved in that as well.

So it is an unfortunate element of our politics.

Yeah, I'd say the question of public ethics in this country is something we don't talk enough about.

Now, people are getting very spun up about corruption scandals, and rightly so.

You had some experience yourself with all

i did yes in the first trump administration and i you know came a whistleblower essentially about reporting corruption and then they came after me and i certainly saw a deficit of ethics in our government and this is part of a broader cultural problem where historically this country was comfortable talking about

ethics in terms of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Some of our population still does, but we also have large segments who want to be so secular that we can't talk about any of that stuff.

And they assume that through some sort of cosmopolitanism, we can still maintain a culture of ethics.

But from my experience, ethics isn't something that just arises out of thin air.