Martin Casado

Is that what you're talking about?

Open Data Infrastructure?

OpenDataInfrastructure.com.

Yeah, OpenDataInfrastructure.com.

Yeah, so we score.

The list is growing.

We're trying to make it as long as possible.

We score...

as many vendors as we've been able to catalog so far on their data access policies.

So we basically score them on whether they try to charge egress charges, whether they try to make you pay for getting your own data out, whether they...

whether they make it impossible to get a complete copy of your data, because some vendors will do that, or they'll make it just very difficult, and whether they have terms of use restrictions on accessing your own data.

So there's a big grid on there.

It's all very fact-based and very well-evidenced.

I mean, the worst offenders historically have been... SAP has always been really bad.

It's interesting because they were getting better, and I've sensed in the last few years that there's sort of two camps within SAP, one of whom who regards it as it's the customer's data.

The customer's got to be able to do what they need to do with their own data.

And then there's sort of the old guard who views it as SAP's data, and you'll do with it what we tell you to.

And then, you know, historically, Salesforce has been really good, with the exception of Slack, where they are terrible.

Yeah, I know.

But they've started to get squirrely about this.