Mary McCarthy

You don't get pregnant over Zoom, David, right?

I mean, when I think back to where did I meet my boyfriends?

I met them in work.

I met them on dance floors.

You know, I couldn't stay in my room on my phone when I was in my late teens, early twenties, if I wanted to meet guys, if I wanted to socialise.

So I think we do need to, without like, you know, throwing shade on any choices,

I think we should talk about this and we should.

I do think the government should.

Public policy has a role.

I think we should just widen the conversation a bit, David.

So, for example, my daughter, when we lived in Dublin, I can remember when she was picking her subjects for her genius search and the school had like a night where they brought in really successful students.

former peoples in their mid-30s and late 30s and they talked about their high-flying international careers because they took German, then they went off and they worked here, there and everywhere.

And I remember thinking, yeah, this is great to get these role models, but I would actually have loved to have seen kind of

you know, a parent in there saying, well, you know, I, because like, let's say for myself, right, I took out nine years and I had my four kids and I looked at them.

I went back to work.

I'm back in the workforce.

You can do that too.

I'm not just saying to tell that to girls, tell that to boys.

For example, my brother, he has just left like a big firm because he wants more family friendly because he's, you know, he wants to be there to pick up from crash.

And you tell boys and girls, you can do all this.