Matt Bernstein

And this is crazy.

I mean, Candace went from catstagramming from like some shitty New York City apartment that we've like we've all been there to being recognized by the president of the United States in like a year.

And in 2018, the following year, Kanye West tweets, quote, I love the way Candace Owens thinks.

Put yourself in her shoes.

Like, that's got to feel crazy.

And this is also before Kanye became a full Nazi.

But it's also before Candace became a full Nazi.

So, you know.

Yeah, and it's also like part of her success is that she did this early because now everybody knows that if you are part of a minoritized group, you can slot yourself into this ecosystem so much so that I've spoken about this on this podcast.

It's become oversaturated.

Candice being Candice as pretty as she is and as good as she is on camera, if she were to try to become Candice now, I don't think it would work because the slot has been filled so many times over.

Yeah.

I mean, Candace came up around the same time as Tommy Lahren.

And Tommy Lahren is kind of like- Flop.

Where is Tommy Lahren?

Tommy Lahren, I mean, that's a whole other episode.

Let me know if you want it.

But she, I mean, Tommy Lahren at one point and-

Her ascendance to conservative media royalty was like, I think I might be a little bit pro-choice.

And they were like, we will never hear from you again.