Matt Bernstein

They are they are trying to extract everything.

And it's so fucking disgusting.

And I think it's so telling to that people like Elon, the people running these systems, XAI are sort of gloating that they can do this and that they seemingly endorse it.

I think I think to me, that's just I mean, it's disgusting.

It disgusts me.

Yeah, we can switch it from elephants to sea lions or something.

Who knows?

We can make it very legally distinct that they won't even know.

They won't know what's coming.

Personally, I think so.

Especially in the moment that we're in, in 2026, with Donald Trump, with what I think is very clearly a fascist state at this current point.

For a while, I've been thinking back to 2016.

And I think I, of course, engaged in this at the time.

There's all that hesitation to be like, you voted for Trump once, you're always going to be bad.

And I think for

If we're going to get out of this, basically, I think there should be room to have these conversations and reflect.

And I think there needs to be more intention if we want to get out of this fucking mess.

We need to have these conversations with people like you that were in this.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me on for this.

This was great.