Mia Freedman

And I have to say, Victoria is not extending much of an olive branch either.

Whatever happened, there's a particular dynamic there that it's naive of us not to point out.

Think of Mia Friedman's famous piece which she talks about the idea that the mother-son relationship is a woman's longest breakup.

But Holly, that hit a chord with so many women.

I know it did.

She hasn't eaten a chocolate since the 90s, as she told us in the documentary.

And there's often an expectation the wife's family is going to be the sort of quote-unquote winner in that tug-of-war.

Her aesthetic is so different from Victoria's to start off with.

No wonder there was a disagreement over the wedding dress.

And Nicola really is unusually enmeshed in her own family too.

I don't want it to seem like I'm taking her side here.

I find her Instagram really odd.

She posted recently a slideshow of pictures of her kind of like walking around her parents' palatial Florida estate with her, a close-up of her mother.

Very strange pictures to post of your parents.

I don't know what that's about either.

And I do think there's a political element here too, which is that, as you mentioned earlier,

The Peltz patriarch is at the very least Trump friendly.

If not, he has donated to Donald Trump in the past.

He's also expressed reservations about it, but he did also say that he voted for him in 2024.

Incidentally, I think that that was the same dynamic happening in the Hilary Duff mean moms group chat.